Funny you mention that. My male relatives worked the limestone and coal mines in Pennsylvania when I was a kid, and they were in pretty bad shape when they retired - if they made it that far. I vowed I wouldn't do that, it beats you up and wears you down to a nub.

Mining only takes a few people to do now what it used to take hundreds to do. Thank goodness for that.

I'm not certain how the voice actors are going to adapt. Even if they "win", they lose. Unless they somehow make it illegal to use synthetic voices, if the Industry finds itself in too much of a PITA using real people, they'll just use synthetic voices from the start, and make the issue irrelevant. Those who know how to work with it can make it sound pretty good.

tl;dr answer. My definition of social media is the postings at heart are designed to interact with each other, Post reply, reply, ad infinitum. Not a person posting a video that is not there for any reaction at all.

I would counter that a news site that allows comments on their posts is also social media under the guidelines that comments ipso facto makes it social media.

Now despite you thinking that me posting what a person watches on a platform that is going to be restricted is irrelevant to the conversation, and being uncooperative as you claim - let me ask you a question.

Let's use Facebook as an example. Accepted as social media. A person posts something there. The reason they post is for the comments that follow. Someone posts that Kamala Harris is actually a man, and the comments erupt. People get an endorphin buzz from the comments, either positively or negatively.

On Youtube OTOH, I seldom go to the comments other than a few woodworkers I follow and interact with personally. These people I now know pretty well. Rest of the time I watch the video, and move on to the next one, which accounts for almost my entire experience. Kind of like watching television.

Question one - your accusation of complete irrelevancy that you are being so generous with me (forgive me, I'm not too bright) - please explain to me like you would an 8 year old child. If you can show me that what I wrote is off topic, I'll apologize, and leave you alone, never to bother my better, and stop being uncooperative, and claim that Youtubeis the very definition of social media, and must therefore be blocked from the children. The we need to go after any site that allows comments, because that is the metric.

Here's a question. If Youtube eliminated all replies and responses, and just posted videos - would they still be social media?

You prove my point. Your analysis of me is exactly what I said about left and right. You think I am incoherent because I don't march to the orders of whoever rules you. You might be intelligent, but you aren't thinking. It isn't even necessarily that I think I'm always right. I can be wrong, but it isn't because some conservative or liberal told me what is right or wrong.

A lot of conservative people tell me I'm a leftie. You seem to claim otherwise. I claim neither, but as I noted before, I'm politically unreliable. At one time, I'd be parked on the center. Even then, some of my thought would be a little right or left of it. One of us cannot be wrong, as Leonard Cohen wrote. I'm pro abortion, pro raising the minimum wage, anti-death penalty, pro gay rights and marriage, and pro trans as long as it involves consent of the person transitioning - which means that person is legally allowed to give consent at 18 years old. I'm pro universal healthcare including mental health issues, but not the overuse of medication. I'm also a committed atheist.

On the other hand, I am very pro law enforcement and very strong military supporter, and a strong advocate for parental rights as long as no harm is being done to the child. I'm pro gun ownership - but not the way the ammosexuals (gun nuts) are. I also advocate for allowing people to understand that their favorite hate target, C-suite people, are also humans with all the good and bad characteristics of all humanity.

You can do you, of course, and if it allows you to think you are a superior being, then never question the politics of whom you serve and obey. It's much easier to do that. But consider that when you go around accusing people of being incoherent, you just might be looking in a mirror, as I noted before, your post proves my point perfectly.

Not much I can do about that, nor do I care about converting the faithful. Just that maybe there is a young person out there who might want to actually think rather than march to what they are told to think.

Tubes have a distortion that makes for a sort of "warm" sound. I like it. Tubes, when they are overdriven also have a distortion many like.

They haven't gone away completely, but when NOS tubes are gone, the technology that was once the only game in town isn't going to be here any more.

These things always devolve to the very successful dehumanization of the other. The counterexample is the cryptoliberals demand that public schools can transition children, and the parents have no right to get in the way of that, or even know it is happening.

How far does the ruling that Public schools have more authority over children than their parents do? https://cbn.com/news/us/are-sc...

Incrementalism. You've probably noticed that every time one of our two political parties is in office, they overreach badly? If schools can make medical decisions contrary to parental beliefs, they have every right to force your child to take Ritalin, a mind damaging drug that functions as a chemical straitjacket. Incrementalism "Little Johnny has been very well behaved lately, I wonder what the change is? " Sorry Mrs Smith, that is privileged information!

"Are you giving him Ritalin?"

"I am not at liberty to confirm or deny that Mrs Smith!"

"You'll hear form my layer"

"You'll hear from Child protective Services, Mrs Smith! We know what is best for little Johnny, and you are being an abusive parent."

Miss Pretty is already on the phone to CPS.

Might seem specious, even slippery slope-ish, as at the present moment it is illegal. But as my experience with my son showed me, schools want all males on ritalin. And when I stood them down when they tried to force me, they even got threatening. Crazy thing was he wasn't a behavior issue, but he was a big lad. But they tried to have every male child in school put on it. If they could, you can bet your bottom dollar, they would force it.

p.s. I am politically unreliable, as I tend to analyze the issues before forming my opinion. That makes both sides hate me. I don't feel the need to go into therapy or ban people who hold different opinions - does that mean I need therapy?

What is your name for censorship then?

And here we go - you just made a case for censorship of social media for everyone. Adults can get addicted, so we must limit what they can see and do.

Yet here you are on Slashdot.

Youtube also occasionally pops up asking if you want to try something different. And pops of different videos all the time.

That said, I know what I want. I watch woodworking videos, motorcycle and car videos, some physics channels like Sabine Hossenfelder's, Decline of Empires, radio and electronics channels, some programming channels, and some channels on my research into the Cold War between men and women. So I like their algorithms, even if it isn't aways "right".

Slashdot is a form of social media, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, TikTok, and some others. To claim Youtube is social media, anything with a comment section is social media.

That is Your definition of social media. A person posting a video about how he fixed his car - how is that social media? People comment, usually thanking him, sometimes offering criticism, a better way, or even tell him he did it wrong. But the guy doesn't flag their comments, he either ignores them to thanks them.

It's perspective. If you are incapable of taking any criticism, or so sensitive that you need to complain of bullying by anyone who doesn't agree with you - well whose fault is that? The problem with that5 is there is nothing that can't be posted that won't offend someone - So the only possible solution is to kill Youtube, and everything else on the Intertoobz so no one feels insulted, bullied, or invalidated.

That's what we call tyranny of the weakest. The ultimate winner is the weakest person the most sensitive, and the most intolerant, believing that anything they want has to be cancelled. Perhaps we need trigger alerts for trigger alerts.

Yup, you are correct.

The regressive don't lie about their intentions though, so they are easier to counteract. And if is that important that children are never exposed to a different opinion, or any adversity in their life, and need safe spaces to protect them, well, then we are in stage 3 of the below. Hard times create strong men

Strong Men create good times

Good times create weak men

Weak men create hard times

Rinse and repeat.

My favorite example of the differences between strong and weak comes from a cooking contest show (Chopped)of all places. An eastern European woman had been through two separate wars in her country. She was obviously affected, but also obviously strengthened by her unfortunate experiences.

Next contestant spoke of her parent's divorce, sobbing and bawling about it. A seriously weak person.

Stage 3 just might be here - we don't want to think about stage 4.

This. About a million times this. Now despite claims to the contrary, humanity has gotten better at humanity over the ages.

That being said, we still have the characteristics that allowed us to survive, and they are still in play.

We still have a deep seated need to brand other groups as "The other", and then isolate or kill them. Be it color of skin, politics or other differences - many minor, it's all still there. So like it or not, ya gotta deal with it, lest you end up like sheep going to the slaughter. We can be as peaceful and loving as we like, the other guy isn't.

I don't make the rules, I just know what they are.

As Garrison Keillor once said, "Why did God create alcohol? So ugly people could have sex."

Don't you know that 99.999 percent of humanity is never going to work again? How are your oligarchs going to get their billions when no one has money because they have no possible employment?

That's sort of sarcastic, but I would like to understand the business model. of incredible wealth without money coming in to buy the stuff mad that makes the oligarch class.

That isn't particularly difficult. I've made a couple AI voiced videos now, and you feed it the script, listen carefully, then tweak it.

Given that this is voice actors complaining about AI Dubbing - do they have to be proficient in every language the video is translated into? That AI dubbing to other languages is a real godsend. Then you need to bounce it off a speaker of that language for translation, and if it is good, you run with it.

Or do they make videos and games in one language only so no one takes money away from the original voice actor - see, it isn't cut and dry as some might think

I don't disagree about vibe coding, but it is hella different than an AI voice "reading" a script.

I've done a couple vids with AI voice. It's remarkably lifelike. And if the voice generation has a hiccup, there are tweaks that go a long way to take care of them.